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Russia and the Georgia war: the great-power trap

Russia's flawed understanding of 21st-century international politics means that its military success in the war with Georgia could be followed by its strategic defeat, says Ivan Krastev.

(This article was first published on 19 August 2008)



Europe has entered the new 19th century. The Russia-Georgia war of 8-12 August 2008 has acted as a time-machine, vaporising the "end of history" sentiment that shaped European politics in the 1990s and replacing it with an older geopolitical calculus in modern form.

An older calculus - but not a cold-war one. Indeed, though the conflict over South Ossetia has generated heady rhetoric of the cold-war's return, the real constellation of power and ideology it has revealed is different from the days of superpower confrontation in the four decades after 1945. This is indeed time-travel, not a mere reversal of gears.
Among openDemocracy's articles on Georgian politics and the region, including the war of August 2008:

Neal Ascherson, "Tbilisi, Georgia: the rose revolution's rocky road" (15 July 2005)

Donald Rayfield, "Georgia and Russia: with you, without you" (3 October 2006)

Robert Parsons, "Russia and Georgia: a lover's revenge" (6 October 2006)

George Hewitt, "Abkhazia: land in limbo" (10 October 2006)

Vicken Cheterian, "Georgia's arms race" (4 July 2007)

Alexander Rondeli, "Georgia: politics after revolution" (14 November 2007)

Robert Parsons, "Georgia's race to the summit" (4 January 2008)

Robert Parsons, "Mikheil Saakashvili's bitter victory" (11 January 2008)

Jonathan Wheatley, "Georgia's democratic stalemate" (14 April 2008)

Robert Parsons, "Georgia, Abkhazia, Russia: the war option" (13 May 2008)

Thomas de Waal, "The Russia-Georgia tinderbox" (16 May 2008)

Alexander Rondeli, "Georgia's search for itself" (8 July 2008)

Thomas de Waal, "South Ossetia: the avoidable tragedy" (11 August 2008)

Ghia Nodia, "The war for Georgia: Russia, the west, the future" (12 August 2008)

Donald Rayfield, "The Georgia-Russia conflict: lost territory, found nation" (13 August 2008)

Neal Ascherson, "After the war: recognising reality in Abkhazia and Georgia" (15 August 2008)

George Hewitt, "Abkhazia and South Ossetia: heart of conflict, key to solution" (18 August 2008)

Plus: openDemocracy's Russia section reports, debates and blogs the Georgia war

It is the singular element of a power-confrontation not accompanied by developed ideological polarisation that makes the Russia-Georgia war the first 19th-century war in 21st-century Europe. The near-coincidence of the fortieth anniversary of the Red Army's invasion of Czechoslovakia to crush the "Prague spring" in August 1968 makes the point. The punitive incursion into Georgia is not a remake; its conditions, motives, driving certainties and governing justifications are different. Russia's military expedition - and victory - in Georgia marks Moscow's attempt to return to the centre of European power-politics. It signals the resurgence of Russia as a born-again 19th-century power eager to challenge the early-21st century post-cold-war European order.

But - as the original time-traveller in HG Wells's novella of 1895 discovered - the immediate satisfactions of a past or future world can be deceptive, as its more complex realities slowly unfold. The "new 19th century" is not a simple copy of the old. The Kremlin may have emerged from the five-day conflict (and its longer and even messier aftermath) as the winner; but it may in the longer term turn out to be the strategic loser in its efforts to restore "spheres of influence" as the defining feature of European politics.

A triple failure

Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia's president, made a strategic miscalculation in starting a military operation in South Ossetia on the night of 7-8 August. He gambled and he lost. Georgia has lost too - lost Abkhazia and South Ossetia (the territories that had anyway managed to break free of control by Tbilisi in the post-Soviet wars of the early 1990s); lost its military infrastructure and the hope of rapid economic development. The ambition that impelled its post-2003 leadership - to be the Israel of the Caucasus - has backfired.

In his first days in power after the "rose revolution" of 2003-04, Saakashvili pledged to re-establish the country's territorial integrity before the end of his first (five-year) term. He modelled himself quite consciously on the medieval Georgian king, David Agmashenebeli ("the Builder") - an identification that, indeed, has been a motif of his presidency. It is important to emphasise: to the Georgian people (as opposed to audiences in western capitals eager to hear his complaisant speechifying about building democracy or integrating the country in western institutions) Saakashvili's primary promise was the restoration of Abkhazia and South Ossetia (and, at the outset of his rule, the dissident southwest fiefdom of Adzharia) to Georgian control.

Here, the time-machine begins to splutter. For Mikheil Saakashvili's period in office - febrile, controlling, image-laden - reveals him to be an extraordinary mixture of 19th-century political ambition and 21st-century political style. This combination makes the decision to launch an attack on Tskhinvali, capital of South Ossetia, both characteristic and explicable. Saakashvili's strategy - like Franjo Tudjman's in the Serb-inhabited Kraijna in the early 1990s - seems to have been to produce "facts on the ground" that would (inter alia) push Russia to accept an internationalisation of the local peacekeeping missions. It was a desperate plan, and the outcome has been devastating.

Mikheil Saakashvili blundered. But his chief ally and his direct adversary also acted stupidly. George W Bush's White House made a double mistake: it failed to grasp the real objectives of Saakashvili's government, and it misjudged Moscow's readiness to use force against Tbilisi. The Daily Telegraph (London) reported that even on 9 August, the United States state department and the CIA offered the assessment that Russian troops will not invade Georgia "proper" (ie Georgia without its existing two "lost territories").

The politics of mixed - and confused - signals emanating from Washington continued throughout the five days of the Russia-Georgia conflict. The outcome is doubly revealing: of the fact that the US does not have leverage over Moscow, and that Bush's rhetorical commitment to guarantee the territorial integrity of Georgia is indeed just rhetoric. In short, the Bush administration's crisis-management was the worst of both worlds: it had no sense of direction, and it lost credibility.

Moscow too made a grave strategic miscalculation. The decision to follow the crushing of the Georgian assault on Tskhinvali by invasion of Georgia proper - though with no political plan, no local political allies to help remove Saakashvili, and no principle on which to build a Caucasus settlement after the war - meant that Russia's actions were guaranteed to invite stinging international criticism. Russia has not offered anything, articulated any larger and inclusive project to make sense of its military campaign or enable it to reach out to neighbouring states and international partners. Russia has, in narrow terms, won; but it could yet turn out to be the biggest loser of the Georgian war.

Moscow's strategic risk

True, Russia's immediate military success is evident. The Kremlin has proved that the country can operate again as an effective (if crude) military power. The war was popular with the Russian public too; for many Russians who still live with the traumas of the 1990s, this small victorious war was a long-awaited reversal of almost two decades of political humiliation. Its short-term effect is thus to strengthen the legitimacy of the Vladimir Putin-Dmitry Medvedev regime.

But to highlight the psychological aspect of the war for Russians is also to underscore its 19th-century character - for the issue at stake was less national territory than national sentiment, which in 19th-century politics played almost the same role that ideology came to do in the 20th century (and in both cases could cause wars as well as justify them). The Kremlin's core rationale in invading Georgia after Saakashvili's adventure was a determination to show and feel that Russia was again a great power. Indeed, Saakashvili's own purpose can also be understood as psychological as well as territorial: to assert Georgia's sovereignty on the borders of Russia.

In this sense, the Kremlin's actions after 7-8 August 2008 were guided by the fear of being perceived as weak and irrelevant, as much as by any deliberate political strategy. But 19th-century sentiments, like 20th-century ideology, can also be a source of disorder in international politics. Both, moreover, are vulnerable to the law of unintended consequences, which might come to apply to Russia in the wake of its victorious Georgian war. For there is a danger that Moscow will emerge from this triumph only to find itself strategically more isolated - both from the world, and within the post-Soviet space - than at any moment since Vladimir Putin came to power in 2000.

It is still not clear whether or not the Russian offensive launched on 8 August had regime change in Tbilisi as an explicit political goal (even if the Kremlin's detestation of the Georgian president and desire to see him fall is clear). But what in a sense is more important is that the Kremlin has in any case no political mechanism to ensure such regime change. It has no outreach whatsoever to Georgian society, and there is no legitimate political force in Georgia that is ready to challenge the pro-western orientation of the country. Russia can occupy Georgian territory, but only at the cost of its own international isolation and a perilous deterioration in its relations with the west.

Russia's failure to oust Saakashvili and to instal a pro-Kremlin government in Tbilisi also means that Russia cannot gain control over the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline project; thus Russia's military victory has no practical impact on Moscow's ambitions to establish a monopoly over energy routes in the ex-Soviet space. Indeed, European companies - in face of further tensions between Russia and the west - will most probably intensify their efforts to find alternative energy routes. More than ever, Americans and Europeans will now be convinced that "happiness means multiple pipelines".Ivan Krastev is chair of the Centre for Liberal Strategies in Sofia, Bulgaria. He served as the executive director of the International Commission on the Balkans, chaired by Giuliano Amato

Also by Ivan Krastev in openDemocracy:

"We are all Brits today: Timothy Garton Ash's Free World" (7 September 2004)

"Ukraine and Europe: a fatal attraction" (16 December 2004)

"The European Union and the Balkans: enlargement or empire?" (8 June 2005)

"Russia post-orange empire" (20 October 2005)

"The new Europe: respectable populism, clockwork liberalism" (21 March 2006)

"The end of the 'freedom century'" (27 April 2006)

"The energy route to Russian democracy" (13 June 2006)

"'Sovereign democracy', Russian-style" (16 November 2006)

"Europe's new Ostpolitik: a Polish echo" (21 December 2006)

"Russia: the sovereignty wars" (29 August 2007)

"Sleepless in Szczecin: what's the matter with Poland?" (19 October 2007)

"The world's choice: super, soft, or herbivorous power?" (26 October 2007) - with Mark Leonard

"Europe's trance of unreality" (20 June 2008)

"Europe's other legitimacy crisis" (23 July 2008)


Russia has also failed to ensure a halt to the process of Georgia's and Ukraine's integration into Nato. The outcome of the Nato summit in December 2008 is hard to predict; the result of the alliance's emergency meeting on 19 August gave little encouragement to Georgia's aspirations; but it is quite probable that in seeking an effective response to Moscow's Georgia challenge, Nato's member-states can agree to push for another round of enlargement of the alliance. If Tbilisi decides to switch its priorities away from the recovery of the lost territories and towards anchoring itself in western institutions, then Georgia's integration into Nato can become a real option.

On Nato's side, it is now easier to offer Georgia the "membership action plan" (MAP) route than to help secure its territorial integrity. After this short and nasty war, there is only a remote prospect of Tbilisi ever gaining effective control over South Ossetia and Abkhazia. So it makes a lot of sense for Saakashvili to stop acting like Serbia's former prime minister Vojislav Kostunica and to start acting like Serbia's current president Boris Tadic.

The great-power trap

The law of unintended consequences could work in another way that damages Moscow. The United States's Russia policy is undergoing the equivalent of a surgical identity-transfer. Within days, George W Bush "the realist" was transformed into Bush the "cold warrior". In the wake of a display of embarrassing impotence over its strategic ally in the Caucasus, Washington is shifting towards a "soft-containment" consensus that aims to press the expulsion of Moscow from the G8, the end of its hopes of World Trade Organisation membership, the inclusion of Georgia and Ukraine in Nato, and a boycott of the winter Olympics in Sochi (along the coast from Abkhazia) in 2014.

A more immediate worry for Russia is the defensiveness of its remaining European friends. Poland's instant decision to conclude the agreement to host parts of America's missile-defence shield is a classic illustration that domestic hardliners in the country were able to use the Georgia conflict to take the upper hand in western policy towards Russia.

Russia has been paranoid about Nato encirclement; but its paranoia seems to have conjured its bleakest nightmare into existence. From now on, Washington's support for Moscow's neighbours will be defined by a country's relations towards Russia and not the nature of its regime. If any central Asian autocrats are interested in making a deal with the Americans, their time has come.

It is fascinating in this respect to see the contrast in the days of Moscow's military victory between the silence of Russia's allies in the ex-Soviet space and the confrontational attitude of its opponents. It is less Ukraine's (especially its president's) unconditional backing for Saakashvili that will worry the Kremlin than Belarus's reticence; on the very day that the Russian foreign ministry expressed its astonishment at the lack of support from Minsk, Belarus's president Alexander Lukashenko ordered his foreign ministry "to take steps to improve relations with the European Union and the United States". This stance is only partly compromised by Lukashenko's artful later remarks in praise of Moscow's operation while on a visit to Sochi.

Russia's military victory in the war in the Caucasus thus may in the end inflict more damage on Russia's strategic interests in the region than Russia's political defeat in the brief era of the "colour revolutions". In that period, Russia lost prestige and position in Ukraine and Georgia, but at the same time the country found common cause with the autocratic leaders in the post-Soviet space in a way that helped it to create an anti-western alliance in the region. The colour revolutions made the European Union look like a revolutionary and revisionist power; in response post-Soviet elites were mobilised to preserve the status quo.

But now it is Russia that is the revisionist power. Russia's language of protecting the rights of its compatriots will profoundly change the way Russian minorities are perceived in the post-Soviet states. Three-quarters of the Russian diaspora in the former Soviet Union live in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus. These three countries are strategically the most important to Russia, but they are also likely to be the most afraid of Russia's claim to entitlement to defend by force the rights of its compatriots across the post-Soviet space. It is not surprising, then, that Kyiv has initiated an inquiry into how many citizens with Russian passports live in Sevastopol. Russia's play with the principle of self-determination will also increase feelings of vulnerability within Russia itself; for among the post-Soviet states Russia is the only multinational federation.

Alexander Dugin sharply formulated the dilemma that is at the heart of Russia's state-building project. In his words, Russia in its current borders and with its current political system is a temporary phenomenon. Russia is too big and too ethnically diverse to be a normal, ethnically based nation-state; at the same time Russia is not big enough and not powerful enough to control its backyard in the way classical empires do. What Dugin did not say - but what is obvious to any observer of Russian politics - is that the 19th-century mentality of the current Moscow leadership excludes the perspective of any real integrationist project on the territory of the former Soviet Union.

Russia's missing "soft power"

In the confusing post-war, Russian media and Russian analysts are dissecting the brutal eruption of violence, assessing what it means for the country's international standing - and discussing Moscow's defeat in the "information war". The consensus is that the campaign against Georgian forces was a military success but a "PR disaster"; Moscow's propaganda machine is blamed for being totally ineffective.

But what many Russians experienced as a defeat in the information war is in reality an exposure of the inability of this 19th-century-minded power to exercise influence in European politics. Russia discovered in the five days of the Georgian war that it does not have any meaningful "soft power". Russia is dangerously lonely in the post-ideological world. The end of the Soviet Union and the death of communism deprived Moscow of its universal language and universal appeal; nothing has emerged to replace it.

The Soviet Union was an evil empire, but an evil empire with real "soft power". So, when Soviet tanks invaded Czechoslovakia on 20-21 August 1968, at least some of the communist parties around the world were ready to pretend that this was done in the name of socialism. Russia's occupation of Georgia proper did not trigger even this level of artificial support. Russia's legitimate insistence that Mikheil Saakashvili provoked the conflict and fired first was not strong enough to justify an operation by Moscow that inflicted such destruction on Georgia. In short, Russia's victory in Georgia won it respect but not friends.

The Kremlin's attempt to promote "sovereign democracy" to the status of a national ideology was only partially successful. The concept of "sovereign democracy" was instrumental in curbing western influence in Russia, but it does not have a global appeal. In this improvised conception, sovereignty is not a right; its meaning is not a seat in the United Nations. For the Kremlin, sovereignty means capacity - its possession implies economic independence, military strength, nuclear weapons and cultural identity. In Russia's view, only great powers can be truly sovereign. This view of sovereignty will not attract many followers among European small and medium-sized states.

Moreover, Russia's attempt to borrow the language of humanitarian interventionism used by the west during the Kosovo war in 1999 to justify its destruction of Georgia's infrastructure was farcical. It contradicted the Russian diplomatic position for the whole period leading up to the August 2008 conflict, and thus only increased suspicion that even if Moscow did not start the war, it was waiting for it. Russia's use of these borrowed linguistic clothes made its actions look more rather than less cynical and sinister. When Russia's foreign ministry started talking about ethnic cleansing and the Hague war-crimes tribunal, many observers recalled George Kennan's observation that Russia can have only vassals or enemies on its borders.

All this makes it unsurprising that Moscow found itself isolated in the conflict in the United Nations Security Council; that it was confronted with a declaration by the G7; and that the greater part of international public opinion was unsympathetic to Russia's actions. Moscow, however, was unaware of its image in the world. This is one of the prices paid for installing a managed democracy - the illusion that all television stations are like ORT.

Russia's failure to persuade the world of the legitimacy of its actions in and towards Georgia should force Moscow to rethink its plans for a return to the world stage. Russia is a born-again 19th-century power that acts in the post-20th-century world where arguments of force and capacity cannot any longer be the only way to define the status or conduct of great powers. The absence of "soft power" is particularly dangerous for a would-be revisionist state. For if a state wants today to remake the world order, it must be able both to rely on the existing and emerging constellation of powers and be able to capture the international public's imagination.

Another way of making this point is to say that the normative moment of the 1990s is over, but the need for universalist appeal has remained. The lesson of the Georgia war for Russia is that Russia cannot become the only kind of great power possible under 21st-century conditions if it remains trapped within a 19th-century definition of international politics. Russia needs a new time-machine. But then so does the world.

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Peter Presland said:



Wed, 2008-08-20 09:41

Interesting piece - but too dogmatic for my taste. For example:


"Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia's president, made
a strategic miscalculation in starting a military operation in South Ossetia on
the night of 7-8 August. He gambled and he lost."

That has indeed become the accepted Western narrative but I am far from certain that it is true. If the US did not know EXACTLY what was planned together with its timing, then - shades of 9/11 - it represents yet another massive intelligence failure; If they did then, bearing in mind their influence on Saakashvili, either it was 'allowed to happen' or they were part and parcel of planning it. Frankly I find those latter to possibilities far more likely - which begs distrurbing questions which are hardly hinted at in this piece.

jpcruz said:



Wed, 2008-08-20 18:32

Dogmatic? What a curious definition...

Well, in your (humble, I suppose) opinion, Saakashvili had green light from the White House. Or not.

Ok. Fine.

But why on earth do you consider the article to be "dogmatic"?

In my (humble) opinion, the author makes a lot of sense and brings forth a lucid analisys on the consequences of this nasty "little" war. Much more, I must say, than your conspiracy theory that doesn't even address the ideas expressed on the article...

What's your point here? What disturbing questions?

Peter Presland said:



Thu, 2008-08-21 16:24

I gave one example of dogmatism. There are others. The example was clear. It was not presented as an opinion or one of a range of possibilities, but as an
indisputable fact which it clearly is not. That is what I mean by dogmatism.

I agree that
the article is an interesting and worthwhile contribution to the
debate. It is certainly less strident and implicitly anti-Russian (ie
taking NATO/Western motivations and actions in the Post Soviet 15 or so
years as essentially benign and well-meaning to be axiomatic) - as is
the case with the vast bulk of Western MSM reporting I have
encountered. However, my criticism stands - IMHO (as you correctly
assume) of course.

Yes I do think it more likely than not that
Saakashvili had a green light (at the very least) from the US - a point
not deemed worth of even cursory attention in the article. The
disturbing questions follow from that - ie If the US was indeed party
to its planning and execution, what exactly were its motives? The propaganda use being made of it in
the Republican Presidential campaign (pretty well the whole US Establishment in fact); the hasty conclusion of the
Polish missile siteing deal, the clear intent to railroad Ukrainian
and Georgian NATO membership in December, are just a few considerations in seeking to answer that question.

IM ever so HO, what we have just witnessed is a major move on Brzezinski's Grand Chessboard. Perhaps we cannot be certain who exactly initiated it; but it is of Bishop/Rook import and will (is already) lead(ing) to a flurry of piece exchanges. My guess is that those exchanges will strengthen the Russian position as we move to the end-game of the Anglo-American Imperial Project - though I readilly concede I may be wrong.

jpcruz said:



Wed, 2008-08-27 01:27

Yes, I think you are. IMHO, of course. But let's wait for the future, and then we see who is right. 

Ahrns (not verified) said:



Tue, 2008-08-26 09:12

There's nothing dogmatic about that sentence. Actually it's dogmatic to use a conspiracy theory to claim that factual happenings are dogmatic.

Bobrevich (not verified) said:



Thu, 2008-09-04 15:59

Of corse, US knew EXACTLY what was going on, otherwise Saakashvili would never do what he've done.

Two Chips said:



Wed, 2008-08-20 12:03

This is in my view a very thorough and well written piece.

What did I take from it? What are my thoughts?

I believe that this military action has left everyone worse off- the Western Alliance, the Russian Federation, the Georgian President and not forgetting those who were injured or who died during the conflict.

I’m not really sure what it was all about……..

Georgia’s ambitions to join NATO?

Russia flexing its muscles to demonstrate to Western Governments that it can?

Russia flexing its muscles for the benefit of those at home?

Russia’s altruistic intent to support and offer protection to those it felt were being targeted in South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

What are/will the results of it all be………..

Poland and the US have signed a deal to site parts of the controversial missile defence system on its soil. The Czech Republic has already done the same. This makes Russia feel more threatened.

The West will seek other sources for its natural gas fearing the BTC pipeline may become under future threat, holding the West to ransom over supplies.

Strained relations between the West and the Russian Federation. This cannot be good for anyone. All sides seem to have been getting along so much better- Russia is part of the G8 and it has closer ties to NATO through the NATO-Russia Council.

Creates instability in the region.

Creates differences of opinion and division in the West (Germany, France and Italy have a softer view of the impact of this situation than the US and Great Britain).

Mikhail Saakashvili has left his country more open to increased attacks from South Ossetians and Abkhazians. He has left himself open to hostility and censure from his people.

Weighing up all my thoughts I believe the Russian Federation has gained the most from this action. I do not envisage that it will lose out in the long run. It is probably considered very much a great success behind the walls of the Kremlin.

If we don’t buy their gas plenty of others (China and India) will. The Czechs had already signed a deal with the US and the Poles were going to (they had been in negotiations with the US for 18 months). The Medvedev-Putin alliance showed themselves to be strong protectors of their country’s security against an increased NATO influence in the region. The US looked ineffective and dithering.

jpcruz said:



Wed, 2008-08-20 19:29

«The Medvedev-Putin alliance showed themselves to be strong protectors
of their country’s security against an increased NATO influence in the
region.»

Here's another curious assertion. In what measure, may I ask, is "NATO influence" a threat to Russia?

In my view, the real danger comes exactly from that cold war "them against us" mentality, that still prevails in the twisted and autocratic heads of the Kremlin rulers. And, by the looks of comments such as this, in the heads of many people around the world...  

Peter Presland said:



Thu, 2008-08-21 17:21

"Here's another curious assertion. In what measure, may I ask, is "NATO influence" a threat to Russia? In my view, the real danger comes exactly from that cold war "them against us" mentality, that still prevails in the twisted and autocratic heads of the Kremlin rulers."

It is not curious at all. For the purposes of this reply the question whether or not NATO does pose a real threat to Russia is moot. But - When we are dealing with the 2nd most heavilly armed nuclear state on the planet, the question that matters is "To what extent is NATO viewed as a threat by Russia?" - and frankly it is a rhetorical one because Russia clearly regards relentless NATO expansion as an existential threat. Putin made that quite clear back in February 2007 in his speech to the 43 Munich security conference. He was not confrontational; he simply made it crystal clear that the US/NATO drive for what he called a 'Uni-polar' world was not acceptable to Russia.

As for Russia's 'Autocratic Heads': There isn't a Western Alliance Country Foreign Policy Establishment that is not wedded - axiomatically - to that 'Unipolar world' that is unacceptable to Russia - and that is the nub of the problem. You may fondly think we have 'superior' democratic systems of government, but when it comes to the epoch-defining issues of the age (The Western Alliance world view being just one of them) we are stuck in a rigid orthodoxy that cannot be challenged - because to do so effectively is seen as a threat and dealt with accordingly.

Russia knows what it means to be invaded from the West. The last one cost them over 20 million dead. And if you would prefer to deal with an alternative to those 'Autocratic Heads' you should consider that the only effective opposition in Russia today is the rump of the old CPSU. You should also remember that both the Putin/Medvedev axis and the CP both enjoy levels of popular support that Western 'Democratic' leaders can only dream about.

In summary, if the West REALLY wants to treat Russia as a partner, then it should stop crowing about 'Cold War Victory' and listen to their legitimate concerns instead of insisting they accept 'defeated country'status a la Japan or Germany post WW2.

jpcruz said:



Wed, 2008-08-27 01:17

And what, may I ask, are russian "legitimate concerns"?

And why, may I also ask, do you think that the "only effective opposition" in Russia today is that "rump of the old CPSU"?

Maybe, just maybe, if Russia would start enganging in a real democratization process - I know it's imperfect, but, as Churchill said and I agree, it's the best so far... -, evolving from hundreds of years of totalitarism (czarist, leninist, stalinist, putinist,etc.) we wouldn't need to have this conversation and NATO shouldn't be dealt as a threath. Just maybe. 

opendemocracy said:



Wed, 2008-08-20 22:17

I agree, very striking.
"It is the singular element of a power-confrontation not accompanied by developed ideological polarisation that makes the Russia-Georgia war the first 19th-century war in 21st-century Europe."
"The ambition that impelled [Georgia's] post-2003 leadership - to be the Israel of the Caucasus - has backfired."
"Russia's victory in Georgia won it respect but not friends."
"the normative moment of the 1990s is over, but the need for universalist appeal has remained. "
Much here echoes Dolgin's: http://www.opendemocracy.net/russia/article/propaganda-war-russia-0-georgia-1, where he talks of Russia's naivety in seeking to replace values by interests.

I am not convinced that Russia _cannot_ live with only hard power. IK implies that an isolation that means "expulsion from the G8, the end of its hopes of World Trade Organisation membership, the inclusion of Georgia and Ukraine in Nato, and a boycott of the winter Olympics in Sochi (along the coast from Abkhazia) in 2014" ought to have some power over Russia. Why?

It almost - paradoxically - sounds as if IK is suggesting that the langauge of values would be in the interest of Russia (... so is it really the language of values then ...)? If Russia's reaction is calculated interest, then injecting a does of "fear of the irrational" into others in the near-abroad would seem to be the textbook chess move to establish a reputation and influence the future moves of neighbours. It is not clear to me that an interest-driven Russia is making such a mistake.

Of course, we shoudl all continue to hope for a values-driven Russia.

Tony CP

Chris B. (not verified) said:



Thu, 2008-08-21 23:55

Good article!
Maybe I will link to it on one of my pages.
Thanks for posting it.

Two Chips said:



Sat, 2008-08-23 09:12

I agree with Peter Presland--

"In summary, if the West REALLY wants to treat Russia as a partner, then it should stop crowing about 'Cold War Victory' and listen to their legitimate concerns instead of insisting they accept 'defeated country'status a la Japan or Germany post WW2."

There are obviously going to be disagreements between Russia and the West, as Western nations have disagreements with each other, but I do agree we should put the Cold War behind us. We now have good relations with Germany, Italy and Japan. 

We should focus on what is good within our relationship. Is it helpful to any of us to go forward forcing the issues of gas supplies, siting of nuclear shields in Poland and increasing the number of former Warsaw Pact countries in NATO to the top of the agenda by playing games of chess with peoples' lives?   

ianniscarras said:



Sat, 2008-08-23 23:14

Just a note, but in my country Russia's actions in Georgia have recieved a very bad press indeed, and this is despite the fact that many people here are well disposed to the idea of a resurgence of Russia as a world power. Russia's position on Georgia is viewed as totally inconsistent with Russia's position on Kosovo. And Greece is a country that Russia is supposed to be courting. Russia's Foreign Ministry would do well to argue for a swift withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgia if it is to avoid loosing further influence here.

It is interesting to note though that Turkey's Erdogan visited Russia the other day and met (I believe) with its Prime Minister, a visit that recieved no attention whatsoever in the western press. Was Erdogan negotiating the safety of a certain oil-pipe-line from Russian attack? Or was something else on his agenda? (Just asking, I do not claim to know).

A first rate article. I.C.

Two Chips said:



Wed, 2008-08-27 13:16

Just when things seemed to be getting better, they got worse.

Russia withdrew its troops from Georgia proper. I believe there are a small number for ‘protection’ in both South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The fighting and death seems to have stopped.

Now we have what I hope is ‘only’ a dangerous game of chess being acted out by the main players. I say this because there has been a great deal of posturing over the last few days and it is my hope that it is only posturing. If it becomes any more than that then regrettably more innocent lives will be lost.

Dmitry Medvedev is on the record as saying, "We don't want any Cold War... Whatever some statesmen say there are no winners in a Cold War - that's why we don't want any confrontation or any tensions."

He has on behalf of the Russian Government recognised the status of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states. I believe this is in breach of an international agreement, but what in reality does it mean? Most of the world has recognised the independence of Kosovo. In my view this is all part of the dangerous game being played out between the Russians and the West.

David Milliband is today in Ukraine demonstrating our country’s wish to support a friend of the West. He is also using his presence in the region to send a strong signal to the Russians that South Ossetia and Abkhazia are part of Georgia and not independent as the Russians have just acknowledged. I dare say he is also speaking, as are the French on behalf of the West as the Americans are being uncharacteristically quiet.

The Americans have said that they have sent some humanitarian aid which has allowed the Russians to say that it is arms they are bringing to the country to arm the Georgians.

Mikhail Saakashvili and Victor Yushchenko (Ukrainian President) both have low poll ratings in their respective countries, countries that have enclaves of ethnic Russians. Those ethnic Russians in Ukraine (58% in the Crimean peninsula) and even Moldova are in my view being used as pawns in the war of words between Russia and the West.

As I have said, I hope this is just a game of chess. There is a lot at stake-- gas and oil, Russia feeling threatened at former Soviet states joining NATO and other Western institutions and further local conflicts in enclaves of former Soviet states.

Where will it end? When will it end? What cost will have been paid in both loss of life and infrastructure in the disputed enclaves and beyond? Will the world see the return of a Cold War with increased tensions between Russia and the West?

Yuriy (not verified) said:



Fri, 2008-08-29 13:25

I just read an information on www.dailymail.co.uk that Georgian troops killed at least 2000 civilians and Russian troops killed 129 civilians....

It is clear to understand, that Russia do right thing, but lose information war. Because information war is the war of liars, and russians are bad liars.

jpcruz said:



Fri, 2008-08-29 17:32

Youre no doubt right Yuriy, russian leaders sure lye a lot, but they are in fact very clumsy...

Kyra (not verified) said:



Tue, 2008-09-09 19:59

Russia losing the information-war? Not at home, not in brainwashing their own people! The Kremlin has succesfully closed down all the objective Russian press and is making agitprop for ten years now...it's sad but true, most Russian love it. And since when is an obscure link to 'something' in a tabloid like the Daily-Mail a good source of information? Better watch Nigel Chandler's (BBC) report where he enters South Ossetia to film illegally in the area that has been sealed of for press and others by the Russians. Shocking. Tell me, if your press is so ok, why isn't there ANY critical sound on it anymore? In every democracy the president is being critized. In every democracy, there're demonstrations on the street, and in no democracy the parliament 100% agrees with a presidential proposal. Welcome back in the polit-buro.

Smena (not verified) said:



Tue, 2008-09-09 20:04

Russians are great liers. That's why they have the greatest secret service in the world.

nikolay denin (not verified) said:



Thu, 2008-09-04 12:47

it's not too much on the topic but wasn't the pillar of the world order during the cold war the mutual nuclear deterrent? did s'th change from then? how the russians can be scared from nato expansion?! it's rediculous, it's an excuse for internal consumption! vladivostok is closer to seattle and alaska than any eu capital to moscow!
just stop bothering about the russians so much! this doesn´t mean 'forget georgia', but the priority is another - china! tha last years they invested heavily on infrastructure and now their major cities are better equiped that the us and eu! and what we did (the west)? war on terror!!!! destroying instead of creating! new weapons, new controls, closed borders.... please! i'm not a hippy or anti us or s'th like this. i'm human and i want schools, hospitals, highways, etc.
not too much into the topic and obviously i'm not a specialst in this matter, however i liked the article and used the platform to voice my opinion.
thank you

Not logged in (not verified) said:



Thu, 2008-09-04 23:51

The author of this piece talks elegantly about the need for Russia to give up its 'Nineteenth Century approach' yet neatly sidesteps the much greater imperialism being practised by the USUK 'Internatuional Community'!

It's precisely this kind of apologia that makes me question just exactly where Open Democracy is coming from.

opendemocracy said:



Fri, 2008-09-05 23:30

"It's precisely this kind of apologia that makes me question just exactly where Open Democracy is coming from."

I'm glad you question it - it means we're doing something right :)

openDemocracy is "coming from" a desire to find the faculty of judgment in "critical insiders" to a situation. This is inevitably an editorial strategy of looking for the "but ..." in entrenched positions. It also makes it hard to figure out "a line", because the strategy does not determine the content, but tries to emphasise the credibility of the voice.

Tony

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